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Randy

By the time the NAR gets to it, it will have been done, because all they are concerned about is building enrollment and improving their image, which they have been working on since the 1890's, and they are still moving in the wrong direction!

Air Conditioner Installation St. Petersburg

I think NAR (National Association of Realtors) needs to review this issue.

Mary

What we can say for sure is that “cap & trade” is not just a simple combination of words, but a whole concept we should first understand before jumping to judge if it is indeed there to serve the environment, or would be achieving exactly the opposite. As unfortunatelly, it can be just the next "big bubble" following the subprime morgage crisis ...

(Ref.: http://goo.gl/9stz)

Kelly Thomas

There is nothing in the text that says this is a voluntary program, ergo the only was the government can ensure it takes place is refusing to allow the sale of homes that have not been retrofitted. Since the majority of home mortgages are guaranteed through Fannie and Freddie, they will be required to be retrofitted to meet federal law, even if it isn't spelled out in the bill for political reasons.

Lorraine Duffy

The Maine Assoc of Realtors are saying that these items are not in the bill - is there any where I can find the real text to this bill in Section 202?

kelly

The NAR says with the Manager's Amendment, the energy labeling (Section 204) applies only to new homes.

However, Section 202 still appears to be a mandate to set National energy codes. I cannot see where participation in the program is voluntary by state. And while the bill does not state that one cannot sell a home without an upgrade, the sale of the home cannot occur (at least with a bank mortgage) if the building is out of code. This is a horribly convoluted bill with a 300 plus page amendment attached.

From the bill:

b) National Energy Efficiency Building Codes-
‘(1) REQUIREMENT-
‘(A) IN GENERAL- There shall be established national energy efficiency building codes under this subsection, for residential and commercial buildings, sufficient to meet each of the national building code energy efficiency targets established under subsection (a), not later than the date that is 1 year after the deadline for establishment of each such target, except that the national energy efficiency building code established to meet the target described in subsection (a)(1)(A) shall be established by not later than 15 months after the effective date of that target.
‘(B) EXISTING CODE- If the Secretary finds prior to the date provided in subparagraph (A) for establishing a national code for any target that one or more energy efficiency building codes published by a recognized developer of national energy codes and standards meet or exceed the established target, the Secretary shall select the code that meets the target with the highest efficiency in the most cost-effective manner, and such code shall be the national energy efficiency building code.
‘(C) REQUIREMENT TO ESTABLISH CODE- If the Secretary does not make a finding under subparagraph (B), the national energy efficiency building code shall be established by rule by the Secretary under paragraph (2).

I read these sections over and over and I still cannot make sense of them. But nowhere can I find that the retrofits are not mandatory per the NAR.

THE CBO estimates that this program will generate $842 billion in federal revenue over ten years, which averages to be $300 per American per year. Over ten years, this equates to $3000 per person (or $9000 for a family of three).

Kelly

HR 2454 was reintroduced as HR 2998 with different provisions as per the NAR, but the House has not voted on it As it stands, HR 2454, passed on June 26, 2009, with a vote of 219-212, is the bill the Senate must consider per the Constitution - which doesn't mean much to anyone in Washington D,C, these days.

Best as I can tell, a state that opts out would forfeit federal funds, something no state can afford right now.

Here is a link to the text of HR 2998:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111t2A7oo:e399003:

negator

who is john galt?

Tony

I'm sorry that last link didn't come out well...you'll need to piece together:

http://www.cccbor.com/sitefiles/ccbor/resourcebin

/2009%20NAR%20INFO%20PACK%20AMERICAN%20CLEAN%

20ENERGY%20AND%20SECURITY%20ACT%200701%20143226.pdf

If anyone knows to the contrary, please post!

Tony

I believe this has all been rectified by the NAR (National Association of Realtors) see below:

http://www.cccbor.com/sitefiles/ccbor/resourcebin/2009%20NAR%20INFO%20PACK%20AMERICAN%20CLEAN%20ENERGY%20AND%20SECURITY%20ACT%200701%20143226.pdf

Sweetromance2

If they actually get cap and trade going, we will all become slaves to the rest of the world. There will be no jobs here, or any hope anymore.

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